with T's apparent blessing, i finally threw up (literally) pretty much all 12 years' worth (so far) of all my noise shit --- more to come, still tweakin', lotsa hate mail, etc... except for a few comments & pieces that were refused, everything was public domain in print and / or online, there may be an actual index of sorts later... detractors, in their distinctly bostonian tradition of hating everything and wanting to be loved for it, should find much to bunch their panties about here; but as with the board itself, love it or hate it, admit it --- ya miss me... and angel too... someone should slap it over to the other place, i have no plans to register there, i'm enjoying the stifling nothingness (in both places, actually)... a month's worth of friday five's on the first page? ouch... haverty starting a a thread about angel being interviewed for a club reunion? scandalous! (not like he was actually there or anything, and did he make a point to shit on you? uh, no)... saw him (i think) also bitching about a FB post of his and my response which mentioned message boards (as in plural, as in IN GENERAL)... desperate much? need me to break some copy machines to keep ya occupied or somethin'?

flipper saying "get well" to me (again) and adding the (wait for it) screwy eyes emoticon (again)... to which i say (again), pick one, ya convictionless twat... ok, maybe too much to ask of someone who consistently relies on a smily face to qualify as his "last word" on a given subject... is it true you like the dead milkmen but think hendrix is overrated? i can't keep up with you mensa types, i swear...

hmmm, what else, oh yeah, i gave away a bag of rock salt, and that's about all y'all got (again, desperate much?)... the ramones ticket thing IS funny, but would be even funnier if a) they could at least get the story straight, b) it wasn't so curious that they obsess over something that happened one time 32 years ago when i was high all the time, and c) affected not a living soul among yez... in fact, if you really look at it, i got a higher hourly rate than any of you college dweebs ever will, so the joke's really on you (and if you hadn't noticed, i never went all cristobal over it --- i'm an open book, all you really gotta do to get my goat is just be yourselves, but most of you even suck at THAT).

i think harlan ellison said it nicely: "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you."
anyway, "enjoy" (wink wink):
http://musicmagfiles.posterous.com/

ps, seems like not all editing "takes" in IE, maybe better to view in firefox, better being a relative term of course

That Birthday Suicide guy sounds like a real treat

Hey Joe!

Good to see you active.

I will have to peruse that link at a later date.

In the meantime, cheers to good health.

it'll be here in this thread on the front page for the next 8-12 weeks or so- take yr time

Glad yr feeling better Joe!

way cool!

Joe what was funny about it was Johnny, as only Johnny can do, managed to make it all about him in the "interview". Since your head is so far up his man pussy it's not surprising you missed it. I still can't get my head around why you are so reflexive about defending a Q list washed up Boston celebrity who clearly gives it as good as he gets it.... and more importantly can defend himself as well as anybody. Well when he isn't falling just short of talking about himself in the 3rd person. Then he deserves to be laughed at like anyone of us would.

For somebody who doesn't care you sure have a funny way of showing it. Merle Haggard I tell ya. But yeah I do miss you guys. This board was a fun place until the people who don't take things seriously started getting all serious.


Glad you are still thinking about me Joe. Get well soon.

the only thinking i do about you is what your problem with me is.
i've asked, but you won't say.
i must be a hundred times more loathsome than johnny, since i've only played out about 2% as much, am not as widely published, and have only done radio via 'MBR pledge drives. not even a has-been, but a never-was (sniff)... what was all the great shit you did again that justifies all this anger towards us? oh right, nothing... so your point is that people who had opinions, were unashamed of them and were honest made it fun for the people who coldn't muster any of that? that sounds about right.

just btw havs -

Blackjacks at TT's
Posted [by you] on: Jun 20 2009, 10:22 AM
Great show last night. Cocky fucks usually are a solid ingredient in rock and Johnny did nothing to refute that notion. My complements.

http://www.thenoiseboard.com/index.php?sho...p=3680285&#

you paid to see it & didn't say any other of that other shit when you had the chance?

man pussy, was it? cocky? i'm smelling a trend here...

Joe I really think you are mixing me up with somebody else. I've never shit on anybody who wrote or played out in Boston. Ever. I did discuss the whole mod thing with you and said simply that your intentions were good but the execution was off. Also said you shouldn't be a moderator. Other than that it's you having a problem with me anytime I say something to or about JA. The guy is a good performer who writes good songs. I can separate that from the fact that on message boards he is an self-congratulatory smug dickhead.

just tryin' to reconcile that w/the part about "a Q list washed up Boston celebrity."
that, and that a specific person was asked specific questions about a specific event in like, a single paragraph, set you off enough to start a thread about it --- was he supposed to change the subject? then what would you call him? if i'm obsessed, what does that make you?
don't sound like separatin' shit to me.

YES!!! EVIL reigns! It THRIVES within you, within all of US!

Breathe it! Live it!

Worship Me!!!!

MU WAH AH AH A H HA HA HAAAAAAA!!!!

I never said I was or wasn't. There are two things clear here:

1. Johnny Angel is a bright articulate guy and a good writer and perfomer who happens to be a classless ass, egomaniac, and a shamless self promoter. I saw him being his typical asshat self in the news and figured a few of the old boarders would get a laugh out of it. It had nothing to do with me being the "typical bostonian who hates people who tried to create something. It had to do with him and not his music. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

2. You don't like it when people don't kiss his ass.

What isn't clear here is why #2 happens when you supposedly are above all this?

YES! CONTINUE THE EVIL, THE FEELINGS OF ANGER! FEEL YOUR SOUL FILL WITH ME!!!!

meanwhile....them reviews would make a great book

YES THE BOOK OF THE NECROMICON!

2. is patently incorrect; what YOU don't grasp is that you're light years more "obsessive" than i could ever be.

let's see --- article about music, interview with musician --- what would have been the satisfactory degree of separation between the subjects to satisfy your, uh, erudite mind? get over it, son.

feeling better?

If the thread title is 'aka the butthurt that wouldn't die' and I would think Joe would want this off his plate and want to move on, then why start a thread which basically invites more arguments? Just saying

I was long over it. You were the one who brought it up again.... weeks after I posted it. It had to be on page 20 by now I bet. Maybe even 40. So you don't care about what goes on at the new board but you either went through pages and pages of shit or worse did a search.

Every time I responded to something Angel wrote you were here like you had it on Google alert and started going off on me. Including going back to the music forum where I complemented his live show. Kind of like you did in this very thread. Other people picked up on you kissing JA's ass too a few months ago. So Sorry brotha but the optics don't really work for you here.

Never let reason get in the way of a good pissing contest.

please... from the guy who msg'd me & johnny saying "knock it off --- that's the deal" for talking logically about stuff someone else brought up, and then called me crazy & said never contact him again when i advised that he would chase people off w/this shit, which he promptly did... no, frank, i'm not feeling better at all, wanna buy me a coffee? didn't think so... get pumped.


the title is an [obvious, i'd think] inside joke, and i thought a few people might actually enjoy reading the old shit / hate mail... one friend even offered to pay to have it privately printed, but it was more dough than i could've accepted, so i threw it online, if nothing else, it amuses me


so when YOU bring up / disparage ancient history it's cool, but when someone else notices, it's obsessive --- makes perfet sense... like i said, i spend about 5 minutes a week on either place, not registered on the other (no search for me), but occasionally i'm alerted to something curious, and this shit sure is curious... i can't help that i also have a memory like Rain Man... i know you think it's "defending," but i talk to johnny more days than not & i assure you we disagree on at least 50% of everything, and guess what? it's all good fun... why you need to knock everything he does is just plain baffling, is all (not to mention clearly calculated), and anyway, as you well know, "egomaniacs" like us need no help from each other or anyone else to defend our "shameless self-promotion." in a perfect world, this would be all the evidence you need, no?


never stopped you, now did it?

I don't knock everything he does as you have now pointed out twice in three months but don't seem to realize. Let me spell it out for you Joe. Without solicitation I complemented Johnny on something he does that he deeply cares about. It was a major part of his life. This was after a few months of him and I going back and forth. Even in this very thread I said he was smart and a good writer. This one right here. This one. Yesterday.

There is nothing curious about it. I was reading the Herald On line and saw the story. I read it. I posted it because most people at that board know Johnny and some like me think he is a dickhead so it was current and interesting to post. I didn't go looking for it. I didn't just out of the blue start a "Why Johnny Angel sucks" thread. This isnt grassy knoll stuff here.

For fucks sake Joe you need to get out of your "us against them" Old School Noise Board mindset and actually read and think about what people say. Instead of reading it as "here we go again old school Kenmore Sq is under attack!" Holy shit. Like you just said you argue with Johnny all the time. So did I. But for some reason you have a hair across your ass enough about it that you had to pretty deeply elaborate about it in a new post about some stuff you thought people would like to read. One thing doesn't have anything to do with the other except in your mind.

CONTINUE THE ANGER!

they have everything to do with each other, if consistency is your point, because i'm not hearing it... he sucks but he doesn't? he's talented but shouldn't promote it? who decides who takes what too seriously? and when / why / how / by whom should this be pointed out / left alone? you said one nice thing, so that negates the tons and tons of slags? doesn't work for me... and, i said we disagree, not argue, and it's fun... big diff there as well, but by all means, keep trying to explain what yer actual problem is

(ps, the old-school-attack argument doesn't hold either, 'cuz i said in at least two articles i never followed his stuff back in the day)... your stuff w/him has always been about politics, and any pinhead who followed even 1% of it could see that... all the more reason i'm confused, y'see...

I can separate his performance and how well he writes from the fact that he is a rude and disingenous person on message boards who talks constanlty about how great he is and how tough he is. He is like the new kid at the high school who has to impress everybody in spite of the fact that he doesn't need to. Get it now Joe? Probably not.

YES! YES! KILL THEM ALL LET GOD SORT THEM OUT!!!!

there must be lots of examples of this, then... quote a few, why don't ya?what's that? they don't exist? hmm...

Joe, if this works for you then fine.

I give you permission to post the content of the PMs you are paraphrasing

??
works for me?
permission?
you & i & johnny & T know that's exactly what happened.
what's yer point? i answered your question.

just off the top of my head:

the time he made up the story about him arguing with the guys down the hall

his detailed missives about his Spartan workouts any time fitness was asked about or discussed. So frequent a poster pinned him with the name "Mandelbaum".

Let's not forget.... The interview in the herald...

I love it when things that really don't matter in life are things that people start obsessing over. It's a prime example of EVIL and how petty things can be made from molehills into mountains!

YOU ARE ALL VICTIMS!!! CONTINUE TO OBSESS!!!!! THIS PLEASE ME SATAN GREATLY!!!!

MU WAH HA HA HA HA!!!

I agree.

1) not familiar, background? evidence?
2) asked or discussed --- t-bone works out, is he talking tough guy? no.
3) not familiar, background? evidence?

y'know, for someone who gets so annoyed when others do their homework, you had the perfect chance to one-up me, and not one source outta 3 meager bleatings.

if the beef is consistency / credibilty, we're all droolin' over here.

Hi DanPM

YES! CONTINUE TO OBSESS! LET IT EAT INTO YOUR SOUL UNTIL IT BECOMES MINE!

MINE!

MINE!!!!!

OBSESS!!!!

MU WA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

wow, time for my weekly 5-minute visit again.

(havs) the time he made up the story about him arguing with the guys down the hall

now i remember, the radio thing? again, evidence this is fake please? i know radio people in like 6 cities, they mouth off for a living, of COURSE they talk smack, good-natured or otherwise... and again, it affects you how? whatevah....

1) no more guest topics: http://www.sceneinboston.com/forum/viewtop...?f=1&t=4377

as much as i hate the phrase, you really do gotta love it... saw that coming from miles away...elsewhere over there:

2) (riff) Hey, pewee, has joe's medical situation brought you and him closer?

creepy... and no, not that you care... woulda been nice, but i'm guessing she'd still rather people think i'm an asshole, since she never responded to being called out on the double lie that i asked her to be my gf but she refused 'cuz i was drinking (being above muckraking & all that)... yer shit outta luck, deb, i don't hate you one bit.

3) (flipper) I bet Peepee is pretty wild in the sack, but since coughlin's already planted his flag there, [vomit]

nope...i believe i could have, but it woulda been ultimately selfish, and i'm actually a lot more ethical than you'd ever believe or give a flying fuck about anyway --- especially as a gay man, no?

4) (Wizenheimer) I just don't see much enlightenment or amusement in anything JC writes. Most of his shit reads like it's done by a rickety old alcoholic who took an adult ed writing class and is now really trying to "show 'em". As for the e-battles. You do realize that where it concerns imaginary internet wars of words and pettiness, Joe is like a three input nymphomaniac in a cock forest, right?

and if that's not flipper, i'll suck BOTH their cocks.

and to whoever posts as me and / or believes i post as a guest over there, nope, and it's easily verifiable... no plans to register, but should i ever become that bored, you'll know for sure it's me... maybe this dummy never noticed my near-pathological obsession with being accountable for every last word outta my own yap under my real name & that i tell anyone with a problem they can simply call me?

off to smarter pastures again... sweet dreams, retards

so I'm lying?

let's just say we remember things differently, had different reactions to things said and done

not discussing anything here- have made that mistake too many times already
if you ever want to talk face to face, you know how to reach me

yep, & i call further BS cuz you threw it up here in the first place.
i know which convo you mean, and "let's just say we remember things differently" is a cop-out.
i stuck up for you when i said riff was being a creep.
i stuck up for you when i said i don't hate you a bit.
i stuck up for you when i said i wouldn't use you selfishly, which i didn't.
and yeah, it woulda been gracious for you to say you don't hate me either at this lovely time, but the way you left things (damaged property, etc.), it's screamingly obvious you need a bad guy in this thing, which is why i've left that ball entirely in your court, since you know how to reach me too.
i think what galls you most is the fact that i'm actually a decent, moral person, 'cause it would be so much easier to write me off as a scumbag, but you know in your heart that i'm not, so you throw stuff like the above out here & then check out.
so i'll check out too, & "let's just say" you know the truth as well as i do.
on the bright side, they gave me a hundred Percs for this shit & i haven't touched one.
i'll know in a couple weeks what i'm really looking at it.
regardless, i only wish you peace, and you know that too.

I didn't throw anything out there- you said I lied. You started this up again. Whatever.
I don't hate you.
Damaged property= 2 cd's. I apologized for it- and they were mine anyway. Get over it.
You exaggerate.
You hear words but don't get meanings.
You'd rather argue than resolve anything because you have a huge ego and overwhelming need to be right.
You're not a scumbag. You're just dense. And arrogant.
I don't need anyone to stick up for me. Let them say and think what they want. I know what happened. You ended it. It's done.
I hope you beat this thing. I hope you get a chance to figure things out.
You said it would have been nice if your illness brought us closer? How was that going to happen?
You Ended It.

Nothing about this gall's or surprises me anymore.
Ball's in your court Joe. You want something from me, you'll have to ask clearly and directly.
And I'll do it.
But you're going to have to do something for me. And I really don't think you will.
You're going to have to ask me to see you. And you're going to have to listen to everything I need to say. And you're going to have to keep your mouth shut and your mind open while I'm talking. And you're going to have to try harder than you've ever tried at anything before to put yourself in someone else's place and understand things from their perspective. And then you're going to have to swallow some pride and allow yourself to upchuck a few words of apology. Yup. You read that correctly. But it's going to be worth it. Because you'll feel so much better after. And then you know what will happen next? You'll get the same consideration back.

That's the best I can do for you now.
No more here. No more.

nicely sums up 99% of what's wrong with this board

take that back johnny black.

Joe WAS paraphrasing from a PM, I gave him my permission (as the person who has sent the PM) for him to go ahead and post the whole thing.

this is going well

If they were your PMs then I DO stand corrected.

thought you were referring to PMs in general

Thanks, and FWIW sorry for any assery on my part

keep this thread going!

Fair enough.

now go fuck yourself

I am LOVING this!

first off, just wanna say i'm delighted that everyone's enjoying the blog so much (yes, that's a joke)!

more from the other joint:


nope, still about 5 minutes a week, and by that logic, shouldn't you log in here, pussy? oh right, it's flipper, you can't...note the similar handles and writing "styles" and tell me they're both not flipper:

and then you have
Kinda like how you crucify someone on a message board for 10 years but once they get sick you only wish them well & swear you don't wanna mix it up with a sick person? (even though i'm not trying to & don't give a fuck if you do... sue me if i'm wrong, but i think any pinhead would find the whole thing painfully obvious, & the above tactics hardly beneath you.

i'm not out to be above anything, i'm right down in the rolled-up poop-balls with the rest of you noble stand-up non-fighters. DUH. as to public arguments, i never started one with the wafer, but i have every right to try to finish them:

Always with the "No More Here (just let me push a few more buttons first)."
I get words and meanings real well, but more importantly context.
So here's some context:
1) if you think you owe someone an apology, you make it... to put the whole "you first or forget it" disclaimer on it is like sub-kindergarten bullshit and negates any implied sincerity therein....
2) i asked you more than once, what---beyond granting all wishes---would constitute "listening," and you never answered, because i listened plenty... unanswered wishes don't mean i don't hear ya, just that i can't help ya...
3) you want apologies for a) never making a promise i couldn't keep, b) never lying about what to reasonably expect or not, c) never exploiting it like i easily could have if i really were what you'd have people think?
so what am i left to "resolve"?
anyway, you once said we just have very different recollections of things.
i couldn't agree more (especially on the me ending it, but whatevah).
i really, really do wish you some peace of mind.

anyway, flip, come up with another see-through persona over there & have fun.
and to whoever said they need a translator to understand me, there's a big fuckin' shocker, eh?

see ya in few weeks maybe.