Which starter is out of a job, now that big Schill and his loud mouth is coming back? (Don't get me wrong, I like that he's gonna be pitching, but he needs to shut up every once in a while).

With Curt, we've got the following starters:

Beckett
Matsuzaka
Wakefield
Lester
Bucholz
Tavares

Tavares goes back in the pen, until someone blows an elbow or something, but what about Lester and Bucholz? Do we trade one of them? And if so, for whom? This team doesn't have many addressable holes (I'd love to upgrade at shortstop, but Lugo and his contract aren't going anywhere....Same for Right Field....)

And I'm thrilled about it. I admit, it's far more sentimental than about pitching, although I do believe he won't do the rotation any harm, and will be great for it if he's "on".

I just can't help really liking the guy, and I would miss his presence on the team. Yes, he's an obnoxious know-it-all, a born-again Christian and a Republican, but he's also probably one of the most intelligent players in baseball, has a good sense of humor, does a shitload of charity, even by professional athlete standards, and most importantly, is a huge dork who wastes hours posting on message boards.

And, even if HE doesn't pitch well, it seems like he really is helpful with the younger pitchers, too.

Done deal according to ESPN:

"Curt Schilling and the Boston Red Sox have reached an agreement on a one-year deal worth about $8 million in base salary and another $2 million in potential incentives, ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney reports."

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Lester and Bucholz are valuable trade bait but I hope they hang on to them, someone alwayys gets hurt, especially with Schilling and Wakefield eligble for AARP membership. Beckett was out for a bit too last year. For his faults, Arroyo would have been a more valuable player in 2006 than Wily Mo Pena turned out to be.

I would guess if everyone came up big in spring training Wakefield and Tavarez would be in the pen and the starters would be Beckett - Matsuzaka - Schilling - Lester - Bucholz. It seems more likely to me that they would let Bucholz start off in Pawtucket at least and see what they can get out of Wakefield, who has been pretty dependable for the last several years.

But if they don't re-sign Lowell and have a chance to get a good 3B or 1B, it would not be surprising to see one of those pitchers packaged with Crisp in a deal. No idea who at this point though.

Don't forget Timlin, I'll be surprised if he's not back.

It's funny, the way we all talk about how old these guys are-then I remember how old *I* am.

the would have traded lester a year ago if it wasn't for that cancer thing. that would be a p.r. disaster. bucholz isn't going anywhere.

Bucholz, Lester, Coco, and "prospects" for Yohan Santana.

do it.

So, you think the Red Sox are going to now trade away their 24 year old power lefty because they've resigned a 40 year old in severe decline?

If it gets you Santana?? Is that a serious question?

I would think there is some sort of way out if Wakefield's
shoulder turns out to be shot.
Gagne's gone,isn't he?

He's a free agent. Somehow I don't think the Sox are burning up the phone lines to his agent.

i know this might be a silly question, but i don't know the answer. is papplebon sworn to closing for the rest of his career?

Starters:
Beckett
Lester
Matsuzaka
Schilling
Wakefield

Bullpen, spot starters:
Bucholz
Tavares

No need for Snyder or Gagne.

What's to say Lester won't as good as Santana a year from now? And for a lot less money...


DON'T TRADE LESTER FOR ANYBODY.

shondra schilling

it is crazy how much money that trade cost him. He should have stuck to his no trade clause.

Agree on Gagne, but Snyder is a cheap middle/long relief guy. Bucholz is too valuable for that role. I think he would be better served by being in the regular rotation in Pawtucket than wasting away in the bullpen.

He got a Ring, and got to pitch int he World Series. Most MLB players would trade a years salary for that.

Supposedly his agent is trying to get the Tigers interested in him. Joel Zumaya just had shoulder surgery after injuring himself trying to move things out of his house during the CA wildfires.

And what's to say he doesn't morph into Kevin Morton??

Santana right now is the best left handed pitcher in baseball. Lester has yet to pitch a full season. Yes, he very well may turn out to be a very good pitcher. But what if he never really gets his control issues settled?

There are no questions as to what Santana already is.

And who is to say whether he has a reoccurrence of cancer, or gets injured, or never progresses to be a staff ace?

Santana IS the best LHP in baseball.

Santana is already santana. Lester is not guranteed to be anything more than a guy who struggles to get thru 5 innings. He may be brilliant, he may be shite. Same goes for Bucholz. He may turn out great, but he may be shit. You know what you get with Santana.

The opportuinity of getting a young top of the rotation pitcher doesn't come around that often. I love the idea of a Crisp/Lester/Bucholz trade for Santana.

I have a hunch that this will be a repeat of the Renteria situation, and he will thrive somewhere else.

Being able to trade for guys like Santana (or Josh Beckett - and look how that's worked out) is why you develop prospects like Lester and Buchholz.

Oh, I didn't realize that the Twins would trade the best pitcher in baseball for projected #3. My bad.

I just read on ESPN.com that it is a done deal. 1 year, $8 mil, plus incentives. Good move for the Sox, I say.

i think nobody is above being traded. at this point will they trade him? i don't think so. would it shock me if they did? no.

like i said. they would of traded lester last year, if he didn't get sick.

Sigh...

Please try and keep up.

Buchholz
Lester
Crisp

For Santana.

Yes, your bad.

Sigh. Do you just read other boards/listen to EEI and then claim ideas as your own?

Yes, you're stupid.

Wow. That really hurt. Apparently, that's the best you've got.

Next.

Oh, and as for stupid....well, I at least am literate enough to have read through this thread before making an ass-clown statement like the one above.

Try this tough guy

And do you have an original thought yourself or do you need to mimic others' posts in order to make your own?

Actually I posted it here first. So much for you paying attention.

Lester and Clay are the Sox most valuable/sought after prospects. Coco is undoubtedly going to be dealt to promote Ellsbury.

Santana will be a free agent after next year, and Minnesota doesn't want to lose him for nothing in return. The rest of their team is in shambles and they are rebuilding. He has a complete no-trade clause in his contract, but wants to win and no longer wants to waste time in Minne.

Torri Hunter is also up for grabs, which is Minnesota's only other key player to move.

Having 6 starters on the staff is hardly a problem. You've got 2 guys over 40 years old. Lester and Bucholz aren't ready to pitch 200 innings. This staff is gonna need 6 starters.

Actually, no way you make this move.

This idiot argument had nothing to do with your original post, Danny. It had to do with Mark VI's assertion that because the Sox signed Schilling, it was time to trade Lester.

The Sox may trade Lester, but it will little to nothing to do with the signing of Schilling.

Rusty Jones licks.

Really? What makes you say that?

I do this in a heartbeat. Beckett (28), Santana (29), Dice-K (27) are a pretty devastating top three that could be around a long time.

this is what i said. at no point did i say 'lester would be moved because of schilling'.

Sox just won the World Series and are bringing back the same crew, except you're upgrading Tavarez with Bucholz. They have the pitching to win it. I wouldn't give up the control you have over Bucholz for a one year guy. If your trade proposal guaranteed they sign Santana to an extension then I agree. I would do it in a heart beat.

ouch, RIA. Hard to believe, but you are actually losing at the internet.

I was assuming an extension and would think that would have to be a condition of making the trade in the first place. Otherwise, I agree. No way for a one year rental.

Just don't run up the score on me, okay bro?

Lester is bigger and he throws harder. There's no reason why he can't get his control better. And he's 23. He'll only get bigger and better. And he's making peanuts next to Santana, who is now at 13 mil, probably 21 mil/year after that, if after one year he stays with the Sox. And Bucholz is good, too.

Crisp/Lester/Bucholz for Santana is bad, bad, bad.

The sox would never trade all that for one year. If they didn't get a 5 year agreement out of him, they won't even bother. Nor will any other team.

No worries there. You're doing a fine job all by yourself.

I believe that is what I just said.