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Or is it "real"?

Or "twee"?

Or "quirk"? (see Michael Hirshorn, Atlantic Monthly 9-07)

Is the following ironic or "ironic"?
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2006/12/cheat...columbia_n.html

Has anyone ever "read" Norman Knox. The Word Irony and Its Context, 1500-1755. Durham, North Carolina: Duke University Press, 1961?
TOC:
http://www.questia.com/library/book/the-wo...norman-knox.jsp
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Comic Book Irony
http://absorbascon.blogspot.com/2005/11/co...book-irony.html
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Is there any such thing as too much irony? For that matter, is there any such thing as "too much" irony?
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SUBPLOP:
I KNOW HOW "HARD" IT IS TO WITHDRAW FROM "HORSE".

Perhaps instead of dreaming of "chasing the dragon" you might read some "poetry".

Or even "write" some.

It would keep you from making an "embarrassment" of yourself with that "temper" of yours.

Flipper

Yet another "shitstain" of a "thread" by that "purveyor" of all things fart-tastic, Sir Francis Dimenno (aka Fartiphilus Retardalis Boardalopterus).
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Yet another comment full of "hate" and "negativity" by the leader of the "trolling for hip cred" gang, Flippa "Don't call me boy" Dippa.

Flippa Dippa: "This ghetto guppie says "yea and men!"

JodyThePig
H'yo dimenno: ruminating on the definition of irony when placed in scare quotes has been my shtick here since '01.

Cite your sources or face withering peer review.
dimenno
I knew I'd smoke you out!

Of course, you're quite correct.

At URI, in the Spring of 1997, under Joal A. Cohen, I wrote a learned paper on the notion of the sanctity of the founding fathers. I leaned heavily on Norman Knox's book to cover the sorts of satiric commentaries that only began to emerge in the 1920s. Little did I realize that Michael Kammen had already cornered that turf.

http://www.amazon.com/Mystic-Chords-Memory...n/dp/0679741771

I should have known better. I even attended a lecture by Kammen back in the mid-80s.

Anyhoo, here's the toc of the Knox book. "Note" the "many" shades of "irony":

CONTENTS
ONE. THE MEANING OF IRONY: INTRODUCTION AND SUMMARY 3
i. The Classical background 3
ii. The English. classical age 7
iii. Groundwork for the modern ironies 16
TWO. THE MEANING OF IRONY: THE DICTIONARY 24
i. The currency of irony during the English classical period 24
ii. Stock definitions of irony and related terms 30
THE DICTIONARY 38
I. IRONY AS PRETENSE AND DECEPTION 38
1.A. Constant dissimulation 39
1.B. Self-depreciation in order to achieve a practical end 41
1.C. Falsely attributing some attitude or act to another 41
IRONY AS LIMITED DECEPTION 42
II.A. A temporary deception which tricks one's interlocutor into revealing the truth 42
II.B. Ambiguous language intended to conceal part of its meaning from part of the audience 43
III. BLAME-BY-PRAISE AND PRAISE-BY-BLAME 45
III.A. Iron of manner 45
III.B. Limited discourse 55
III.B.i. Praise-by-blame 55
III.B.ii. Blame-by-praise 58
IV. IRONY AS SAYING THE CONTRARY OF WHAT ONE MEANS FOR EMPHASIS, THE CONTRARY BEING NEITHER FALSE PRAISE NOR FALSE BLAME 76
IV.A. Pretending to omit what one is all the while asserting 77
IV.B. Using any kind of contrary expression 77
V. IRONY AS UNDERSTATEMENT 78
V.A. Denial of the contrary 79
V.B. Intimation 80
VI. IRONY AS INDIRECTION 82
VI.A. Statement of a corollary of one's criticism without statement of the criticism itself 82
VI.B. Meaningful reply to a submerged meaning of a remark 83
VII. IRONY AS THE GRAVE ELABORATION OF A FICTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF CASUAL SATIRE OR AIMLESS MYSTIFICATION 84
VIII. IRONY AS ANY DISCOURSE NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY 90
IX. IRONY AS ANY KIND OF DERISIVE ATTACK 90
X. DRAMATIC IRONY 92
THREE. THE METHODS OF BLAME-BY-PRAISE ASSOCIATED WITH IRONY 99
i. Socratic self-depreciation 99
ii. Direct praise 104
iii. Simple concession 111
iv. Ironic advice 116
v. Ironic defense 119
vi. The fallacious argument 123
vii. Burlesque 125
viii. The fictitious character 135
FOUR. CRITICISM OF THE ART OF IRONY 141
i. The glaring light of contrary comparison 141
ii. The two strategies of irony 142
iii. Clues to meaning 146
iv. The question of clarity 154
v. The mask of gravity 162
vi. The virtue of consistency 173
vii. The question of length 177
viii. The new critical importance of irony 181
ix. The meaning of the word again 185
FIVE. RAILLERY AND BANTER 187
i. Railing and Raillery 189
ii. Banter 208
BIBLIOGRAPHY 222
INDEX 253


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"Well?"

"Is"

"It?"
subplop
QUOTE(dimenno @ Aug 18 2007, 09:21 PM) *

SUBPLOP:
I KNOW HOW "HARD" IT IS TO WITHDRAW FROM "HORSE".

Perhaps instead of dreaming of "chasing the dragon" you might read some "poetry".

Or even "write" some.

It would keep you from making an "embarrassment" of yourself with that "temper" of yours.


yay!

me!

I spell poorly!! Wooo!!!!

Anyway. Thanks for the thought.
WTF Jones
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dimenno
QUOTE(subplop @ Sep 18 2007, 04:04 PM) *

yay!

me!

I spell poorly!! Wooo!!!!

Anyway. Thanks for the thought.


Go, you!!
subplop
QUOTE(dimenno @ Sep 18 2007, 04:09 PM) *

Go, you!!



On a semi serious, not non sequitur. Sorry for lightly attacking you in the other thread. Peer pressure, you know how it is for a child these days. But yes, inexcusable and certainly not earned.


dimenno
I don't even remember which thread that was, or the nature of the attack.

So it couldn't have been very particularly devastating.

subplop
QUOTE(dimenno @ Sep 18 2007, 04:24 PM) *

I don't even remember which thread that was, or the nature of the attack.

So it couldn't have been very particularly devastating.


nice, thats how I roll.

subplop
QUOTE(dimenno @ Aug 18 2007, 09:21 PM) *

SUBPLOP:
I KNOW HOW "HARD" IT IS TO WITHDRAW FROM "HORSE".

Perhaps instead of dreaming of "chasing the dragon" you might read some "poetry".

Or even "write" some.

It would keep you from making an "embarrassment" of yourself with that "temper" of yours.


I guess I am just utterly confused by this post. Is it like an amalgamut of my previous posts? Or just some random comment on my online personality (or lack of)? Or just randomness for the sake of randomness?

dimenno
QUOTE(subplop @ Sep 18 2007, 04:33 PM) *

I guess I am just utterly confused by this post. Is it like an amalgamut of my previous posts? Or just some random comment on my online personality (or lack of)? Or just randomness for the sake of randomness?


It's an (wait for it) "ironic" comment on the picture.

Based on the presumption that you were the one responsible for the pictured results.

Just a bit of gratuitous goofiness.

subplop
QUOTE(dimenno @ Sep 18 2007, 04:44 PM) *

It's an (wait for it) "ironic" comment on the picture.

Based on the presumption that you were the one responsible for the pictured results.

Just a bit of gratuitous goofiness.



Nice.

Thanks for the heads up. It was a tad beyond me.
dimenno
It's all a "part" of the "irony".
subplop
I just didn't get why you kept putting your periods outside you parenthesis.

And all that jazz.
dimenno
If the parenthetical clause is a dependent clause, yet part of the sentence (the wouldn't it be proper to put the punctuation outside of it)?

If the parenthetical clause is a dependent clause, and not part of the sentence? (Then it's proper to put the punctuation inside of it.)
subplop
QUOTE(dimenno @ Sep 18 2007, 05:40 PM) *

If the parenthetical clause is a dependent clause, yet part of the sentence (the wouldn't it be proper to put the punctuation outside of it)?

If the parenthetical clause is a dependent clause, and not part of the sentence? (Then it's proper to put the punctuation inside of it.)


huh, no shit.

thank.
dimenno
Sorry:

If the parenthetical clause is a dependent clause, yet part of the sentence (then wouldn't it be proper to put the punctuation outside of it)?

How "ironic".
subplop
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Mr.E
QUOTE(dimenno @ Sep 18 2007, 05:49 PM) *

Sorry:

If the parenthetical clause is a dependent clause, yet part of the sentence (then wouldn't it be proper to put the punctuation outside of it)?

How "ironic".



If you don't have it, you get anemic.
dimenno
If you do have it, you get anomic.
dimenno
Anomic? Anemic? Anomic? Anemic?

Let's call the whole thing off.
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