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post May 13 2008, 10:49 AM
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So said Albert Einstein:

Albert Einstein described belief in God as "childish superstition" and said Jews were not the chosen people, in a letter to be sold in London this week, an auctioneer said Tuesday.

The father of relativity, whose previously known views on religion have been more ambivalent and fuelled much discussion, made the comments in response to a philosopher in 1954.

As a Jew himself, Einstein said he had a great affinity with Jewish people but said they "have no different quality for me than all other people".

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.

"No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this," he wrote in the letter written on January 3, 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind, cited by The Guardian newspaper.

The German-language letter is being sold Thursday by Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair after being in a private collection for more than 50 years, said the auction house's managing director Rupert Powell.

In it, the renowned scientist, who declined an invitation to become Israel's second president, rejected the idea that the Jews are God's chosen people.

"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions," he said.

"And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people."

And he added: "As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."

Previously the great scientist's comments on religion -- such as "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" -- have been the subject of much debate, used notably to back up arguments in favour of faith.

Powell said the letter being sold this week gave a clear reflection of Einstein's real thoughts on the subject. "He's fairly unequivocal as to what he's saying. There's no beating about the bush," he told AFP.

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post May 13 2008, 11:09 AM
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I think everyone in this thread has some sort of a belief in a higher power.
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post May 13 2008, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(ghost of bobby dagon @ May 13 2008, 11:09 AM) *

I think everyone in this thread has some sort of a belief in a higher power.

In that case, you would be wrong.
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post May 13 2008, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(Danny Vermin @ May 13 2008, 12:11 PM) *

In that case, you would be wrong.

Nope. You all have something that drives you - and I don't think a true atheist would give a flying rat fuck about this thread.
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guest of a friend   Belief in God is"childish superstition"   May 13 2008, 10:49 AM
Danny Vermin   I completely agree.   May 13 2008, 10:51 AM
ƒ(x)   what's the point, his opinoin about religion i...   May 13 2008, 10:52 AM
Hook Operator   what's the point, his opinoin about religion ...   May 13 2008, 10:55 AM
JodyThePig   I'd say his opinion is more valid because he ...   May 13 2008, 11:01 AM
smcd   What was Einstein's opinion on the Red Sox? H...   May 13 2008, 10:56 AM
killyou   What was Einstein's opinion on the Red Sox? ...   May 13 2008, 10:57 AM
elk   What was Einstein's opinion on the Red Sox? ...   May 13 2008, 11:03 AM
JodyThePig   His views on God are interesting in that he spent...   May 13 2008, 11:07 AM
elk   That's a lot of hubris to drop on poor Einste...   May 13 2008, 11:21 AM
ƒ(x)   His views on God are interesting in that he spent...   May 13 2008, 11:10 AM
smcd   His views on God are interesting in that he spent...   May 13 2008, 11:21 AM
elk   Einstein was a weird smelly old guy who married h...   May 13 2008, 11:24 AM
Old And In The Way   Einstein was a weird smelly old guy who married h...   May 13 2008, 12:03 PM
smcd   Martin Doyle = Good Albert Einstein = Bad Your v...   May 13 2008, 12:12 PM
Old And In The Way   Uhhhhh.... ok. When are you going to start mocki...   May 13 2008, 12:19 PM
smcd   Well that post alone reduced you to a cartoonish ...   May 13 2008, 12:37 PM
JohnnyBlack   God bless him for speaking sense.   May 13 2008, 11:01 AM
mike oliver   Never heard of said genius.....But.............. J...   May 13 2008, 11:02 AM
J_GuestNoMore   Never heard of said genius.....But.............. ...   May 13 2008, 11:07 AM
mike oliver   It also says to keep your dick in your pants. You...   May 13 2008, 11:09 AM
Danny Vermin   Regardless of the fact that it's only his opin...   May 13 2008, 11:08 AM
JodyThePig   Regardless of the fact that it's only his opi...   May 13 2008, 11:14 AM
Danny Vermin   Yeah, it's certainly easier to prove the vali...   May 13 2008, 11:18 AM
JodyThePig   that really is a terrible analogy, and completely...   May 13 2008, 11:24 AM
Danny Vermin   Besides the sad state of my analogizing skills, y...   May 13 2008, 11:28 AM
JodyThePig   Proof, is documented, demonstrable fact. It's...   May 13 2008, 11:34 AM
Danny Vermin   In effect, you appear to be making this argument:...   May 13 2008, 11:36 AM
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Danny Vermin   You don't see how empiricism would be a poor ...   May 13 2008, 11:52 AM
Maximum Tor   I'm simply not interested in citing fairy tal...   May 13 2008, 11:53 AM
ghost of bobby dagon   I think everyone in this thread has some sort of a...   May 13 2008, 11:09 AM
J_GuestNoMore   I think everyone in this thread has some sort of ...   May 13 2008, 11:10 AM
guest of a friend   I think everyone in this thread has some sort of ...   May 13 2008, 11:10 AM
smcd   I'm pretty damn sure you are wrong. <_...   May 13 2008, 11:23 AM
J_GuestNoMore   Oooooooooohhhhhhhh.....!!!...   May 13 2008, 11:44 AM
Danny Vermin   I think everyone in this thread has some sort of ...   May 13 2008, 11:11 AM
ghost of bobby dagon   In that case, you would be wrong. Nope. You all ...   May 13 2008, 11:25 AM
J_GuestNoMore   Nope. You all have something that drives you - a...   May 13 2008, 11:43 AM
Danny Vermin   Nope. You all have something that drives you - an...   May 13 2008, 11:46 AM
ghost of bobby dagon   What you think doesn't amount to a hill of be...   May 13 2008, 12:02 PM
Danny Vermin   God made you an idiotic douche. God doesn't ...   May 13 2008, 12:06 PM
ghost of bobby dagon   But you're the one who uses the noiseboard a...   May 13 2008, 12:17 PM
Danny Vermin   Um - no, I think you're the one who's doi...   May 13 2008, 12:21 PM
ghost of bobby dagon   You told everyone in this thread that they all be...   May 13 2008, 12:24 PM
Abs   I think everyone in this thread has some sort of ...   May 13 2008, 11:15 AM
JoeO   nope. i smell poll :lol:   May 13 2008, 11:21 AM
Soup   Gob doesn't love Einstein.   May 13 2008, 11:11 AM
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FrankD   so, Gawd DOES play dice with the universe!...   May 13 2008, 11:53 AM
plcmat   I consider myself an agnostic rather than an athei...   May 13 2008, 11:53 AM
Old And In The Way   I consider myself an agnostic rather than an athe...   May 13 2008, 11:58 AM
BoDubya   Name one unproven supernatural abstraction that a...   May 13 2008, 12:01 PM
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