Early to mid 1970's club Oliver's ??, Where was it located ..? Options

[MARSMAN]

Any clue ..?

[EricDoberman]

No clue but there was an Oliver Tavern aka Oliver's downtown (on Oliver Street) in the late 90s-early 00s that was a sketchy mix of gay cokeheads, yuppie cokeheads and townie cokeheads. They had DJs sometimes. Perhaps it had been a club earlier. It seemed like an older place when I discovered it...

[tommyfrustration]

Any clue ..?

It is the casknflagon.


http://www.casknflagon.com/about.html



Bruce Springsteen played there.

I know this as I worked on their web site.

Tommy F

[MARSMAN]

It is the casknflagon.
http://www.casknflagon.com/about.html
Bruce Springsteen played there.

I know this as I worked on their web site.

Tommy F

Nope ..

That was called Joe's Place ..

[tommyfrustration]

Nope ..

That was called Joe's Place ..

Well I only know what it says on their web site. They say it was Olivers.


They say springsteen played there.

They say others did to.

They are opening a dance club called olivers

It does not say anything about joes place.

Tommy

[MARSMAN]

Well I only know what it says on their web site. They say it was Olivers.
They say springsteen played there.

They say others did to.

They are opening a dance club called olivers

It does not say anything about joes place.

Tommy

AHHHHHHHHH HUH!

Then you must be correct.. I was always told by the Springsteen experts that that was Joe's Place

So NOW we need to know where Joe's Place was ..

Thanks Tim

[tommyfrustration]

AHHHHHHHHH HUH!

Then you must be correct.. I was always told by the Springsteen experts that that was Joe's Place

So NOW we need to know where Joe's Place was ..

Thanks Tim

I think it is in pembroke at the intersection of 53 and 123...

It is a chain restaurant....


I don't think springsteen played their in the 70s but he may have in the last year or so...

Tommy F

[MARSMAN]

I think it is in pembroke at the intersection of 53 and 123...

It is a chain restaurant....
I don't think springsteen played their in the 70s but he may have in the last year or so...

Tommy F

Formerly The Barnside ...I do belive The T's played there..

Maybe Bruce opened ..?

[stoneylarsen]

It is the casknflagon.
http://www.casknflagon.com/about.html
Bruce Springsteen played there.

I know this as I worked on their web site.

"The Velvet Underground" also played their last ever show there in 1973 but by this time it was Doug and Billy Yule plus two other gents, not even Walter Powers and Willie Loco.

Note the Count Viglione reference.

From The Velvet Underground Web Page:

May 27, 1973
Oliver's, Boston, Massachussets

The final appearance as The Velvet Underground - it was the booker's idea that they were billed under that name. 2 sets.

Line-up: Doug Yule, Billy Yule, George Kay, and Don Silverman

Tape: from first set. 40 minutes, B+. Last three tracks appear only on the original tape recorded by Joe Viglione. Source: Final V.U. 1971-1973 disc 4.

I'm Waiting For The Man (5:00)
Little Jack (3:39)
White Light/White Heat (5:12)
Caroline (3:08)
Sweet Jane (4:32)
Mean Old Man (2:54)
Who's That Man [cut] (4:05)
Let It Shine (4:33)
Mama's Little Girl (3:40)
Train 'round The Bend [cut] (2:15)
Zonk: Baby Moon Rider
What's Your Name
What Goes On

Doug Yule: "There was a cover band in 1973 - me and my brother and two other guys, doing rock 'n' roll tunes both Velvet Underground and non-Velvet Underground, and some original tunes. We met somebody who started booking us around New England. He was supposed to bill us as featuring me from The Velvet Underground, but he wasn't supposed to say it was The Velvet Underground. We played next to [Boston's] Fenway Park in Kenmore Square, probably our second-to-last show. The last show was some ski-place in Vermont or someplace; we drove in, saw "The Velvet Underground" and said, "That's the last straw." Plus, the place turned out to be a real dive. It was one of those places you hear (in whining voices) "Can you turn down? Can you play Louie, Louie?" We didn't even play the second night; the guy asked us to leave." [in Afterhours: the twilight of the Velvets, MOJO #75, February 2000, p. 47]

Rob Norris: "(...) I stayed on in England for a while before ending up in New Hampshire in early '73 where I found one last version of the Velvet Underground about to perform in Boston without Sesnick's consent.
This version had Doug Yule on lead guitar, Billy Yule on drums, and George on bass (the Old Rockets rythm section) with a friend of George's from California named Don on rythm guitar. they played one weekend at a small club in Boston, to a small but appreciative audience, unveiling even newer material... Shortly thereafter this little-known version of the Velvet Underground disbanded and the saga of the post-Lou Reed Velvet Underground came to a close. AMEN!" [in I was a velveteen, Kicks, 1979]

[Mark VI]

Formerly The Barnside ...I do belive The T's played there..

Maybe Bruce opened ..?

you think you two could talk this over a your practice space?

[MARSMAN]

you think you two could talk this over a your practice space?

a your practice space??

[MARSMAN]

"The Velvet Underground" also played their last ever show there in 1973 but by this time it was Doug and Billy Yule plus two other gents, not even Walter Powers and Willie Loco.

Note the Count Viglione reference.

From The Velvet Underground Web Page:

May 27, 1973
Oliver's, Boston, Massachussets

The final appearance as The Velvet Underground - it was the booker's idea that they were billed under that name. 2 sets.

Line-up: Doug Yule, Billy Yule, George Kay, and Don Silverman

Tape: from first set. 40 minutes, B+. Last three tracks appear only on the original tape recorded by Joe Viglione. Source: Final V.U. 1971-1973 disc 4.

I'm Waiting For The Man (5:00)
Little Jack (3:39)
White Light/White Heat (5:12)
Caroline (3:08)
Sweet Jane (4:32)
Mean Old Man (2:54)
Who's That Man [cut] (4:05)
Let It Shine (4:33)
Mama's Little Girl (3:40)
Train 'round The Bend [cut] (2:15)
Zonk: Baby Moon Rider
What's Your Name
What Goes On

Doug Yule: "There was a cover band in 1973 - me and my brother and two other guys, doing rock 'n' roll tunes both Velvet Underground and non-Velvet Underground, and some original tunes. We met somebody who started booking us around New England. He was supposed to bill us as featuring me from The Velvet Underground, but he wasn't supposed to say it was The Velvet Underground. We played next to [Boston's] Fenway Park in Kenmore Square, probably our second-to-last show. The last show was some ski-place in Vermont or someplace; we drove in, saw "The Velvet Underground" and said, "That's the last straw." Plus, the place turned out to be a real dive. It was one of those places you hear (in whining voices) "Can you turn down? Can you play Louie, Louie?" We didn't even play the second night; the guy asked us to leave." [in Afterhours: the twilight of the Velvets, MOJO #75, February 2000, p. 47]

Rob Norris: "(...) I stayed on in England for a while before ending up in New Hampshire in early '73 where I found one last version of the Velvet Underground about to perform in Boston without Sesnick's consent.
This version had Doug Yule on lead guitar, Billy Yule on drums, and George on bass (the Old Rockets rythm section) with a friend of George's from California named Don on rythm guitar. they played one weekend at a small club in Boston, to a small but appreciative audience, unveiling even newer material... Shortly thereafter this little-known version of the Velvet Underground disbanded and the saga of the post-Lou Reed Velvet Underground came to a close. AMEN!" [in I was a velveteen, Kicks, 1979]

stoneylarson the only guy I know that is MORE of a warehouse of useless information than myself ...

[tommyfrustration]

you think you two could talk this over a your practice space?

we don't practice...currently we are a virtual band that practices here on the noiseboard. So..... what the heck are you doing at our practice???? And did you bring the beer????

Marsman, I think you gotta tune up. Let's run through that last number one more time....

TF

[MARSMAN]

we don't practice...currently we are a virtual band that practices here on the noiseboard. So..... what the heck are you doing at our practice???? And did you bring the beer????

Marsman, I think you gotta tune up. Let's run through that last number one more time....

TF

Mark IV has the tuner and won't give it up ...

[Mark VI]

Mark IV has the tuner and won't give it up ...

hey lumpy, it is mark vi.

[MARSMAN]

hey lumpy, it is mark vi.

[Joe bananas]

Joes place was on Mass ave between Central and Harvard square, saw Howlin Wolf there once.

[screeg neegis]

I saw a version of the Velvet Underground at the Aquarius club on Revere Beach in 1971; I don't remember the singer's name but it wasn't Lou Reed.
They kinda sucked, but near the end of their show Doug Yule (if I remember correctly) sat down on the stage and appeared to be puking on himself.
That was OK.
this guy says he was there too:
http://musictravel.free.fr/concerts/concerts60-70.htm

[ShempTheOtherStooge]

The Cask was indeed "Oliver's", part of the unholoy trilogy of Kenmore Square nightclubs including "Lucifer's" and "K-K-K-Katy's"

[stoneylarsen]

stoneylarson the only guy I know that is MORE of a warehouse of useless information than myself ...

You never said it was useless when I worked for you!

[stoneylarsen]

I saw a version of the Velvet Underground at the Aquarius club on Revere Beach in 1971; I don't remember the singer's name but it wasn't Lou Reed.
They kinda sucked, but near the end of their show Doug Yule (if I remember correctly) sat down on the stage and appeared to be puking on himself.
That was OK.
this guy says he was there too:
http://musictravel.free.fr/concerts/concerts60-70.htm

Wow! Any other memories?

I just sent this to Olivier, who runs the VU Web Site that I referenced above. He doesn't have this show listed in his database so this is awesome.

Any other info if you want to PM me that would be phenominal!