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QUOTE(junkstar @ Apr 27 2008, 11:01 PM)  What music do you consider to be art flippy? Please share your wisdom. Apparently you are a superior judge. I don't want to be a douche! Save me! What is it that the 18 year olds dig these days? Myley Cyrus ? Lil' Wayne? who the fuck knows. I support Flipper for an overall general knowledge/witty political candidate. |
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Apr 28 2008, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(mike oliver @ Apr 28 2008, 10:08 AM) Myley Cyrus ? Lil' Wayne? who the fuck knows. I support Flipper for an overall general knowledge/witty political candidate. that's because you're mentally ill. |
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Apr 28 2008, 10:25 AM
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I like Neil Diamond. I'm not quite what people would consider a fan, but I like a lot more than a couple of his songs, and I have a few records. I can live without ever hearing Sweet Caroline again, but I never tire of hearing songs like Cracklin' Rosie or Forever in Bluejeans. I wouldn't see him in concert now, but given the chance to go back 30 years and see him, I would definitely go.
He is the Jewish Elvis, in a way. He's not nearly the entertainer Elvis was, but unlike Neil, Elvis never wrote a song, never mind dozens of hit songs. So until a jewish pop music performer comes along that's better than Neil, he gets that monniker. |
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Apr 28 2008, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(smcd @ Apr 28 2008, 10:25 AM) until a jewish pop music performer comes along that's better than Neil  |
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Apr 28 2008, 11:20 AM
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^^ Not a pop music performer.
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Apr 28 2008, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(smcd @ Apr 28 2008, 11:20 AM) ^^ Not a pop music performer. Depends on your definition... |
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Apr 28 2008, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(HomerRamone @ Apr 28 2008, 11:30 AM) Depends on your definition... Under no definition extant are the Ramones classified as "pop". |
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Apr 28 2008, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE(smcd @ Apr 28 2008, 11:38 AM) Under no definition extant are the Ramones classified as "pop". What kind of music is "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend" or "Danny Says"? |
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Apr 28 2008, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE(HomerRamone @ Apr 28 2008, 11:42 AM) What kind of music is "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend" or "Danny Says"? The two songs above are slow tempo punk songs performed by a punk band. Pat Boone released a record where he covered heavy metal songs. Enter Sandman and Crazy Train being a couple examples. This doesn't make Pat Boone a heavy metal act. It made him a pop crooner covering heavy metal songs. |
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Apr 28 2008, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE(smcd @ Apr 28 2008, 11:50 AM) The two songs above are slow tempo punk songs performed by a punk band. You will NEVER acknowledge that there is any way of seeing things other than YOUR Way and Ze Wrong Way. That's what makes you a fucking fascist...Pat Boone released a record where he covered heavy metal songs. Enter Sandman and Crazy Train being a couple examples. This doesn't make Pat Boone a heavy metal act. It made him a pop crooner covering heavy metal songs. |
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Apr 28 2008, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE(HomerRamone @ Apr 28 2008, 12:05 PM) You will NEVER acknowledge that there is any way of seeing things other than YOUR Way and Ze Wrong Way. That's what makes you a fucking fascist... Actually, I will never deny obvious facts. In this case there's the correct way of looking at the situation, and then there's your way. That's what makes you a goober. |
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Apr 28 2008, 12:32 PM
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"O Diamond, Diamond, thou little knowest the damage thou hast done."
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Apr 28 2008, 12:35 PM
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The Ramones were as much pop as they were punk. Their influences were pop, plain and simple. Dee Dee and Joey loved pop deeply. It's hard for a lot of people to fathom, but Punk was a magazine first and foremost. That it became attached to powerful pop bands with edgy lyrics is fine, but too many people get way too defensive about the genre tag for some strange reason. Brits especially. Personally I reserve Punk as a label for much more aggressive stuff than The Ramones, Buzzcocks, Clash, Green Day, Sex Pistols, etc etc. I'll give it to Wire, Velvet Underground, Richard Hell, Sid Vicious (solo), Cramps, DNA, Contortions...
This could be it's own thread. Sorry Neil D. |
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Apr 28 2008, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE(Mike Qube @ Apr 27 2008, 09:11 PM) Count me as a douchebag. I have several records and a couple of cd box sets. I've also seen him about 10 times and I'm going to see him at Fenway. You'll be happy to know that it's Neil Diamond week on American Idol then. Or maybe not... |
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Apr 28 2008, 12:50 PM
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I didn't know there were any Neil Diamond fans.
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Apr 28 2008, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE(junkstar @ Apr 28 2008, 12:35 PM) The Ramones were as much pop as they were punk. Their influences were pop, plain and simple. Dee Dee and Joey loved pop deeply. It's hard for a lot of people to fathom, but Punk was a magazine first and foremost. That it became attached to powerful pop bands with edgy lyrics is fine, but too many people get way too defensive about the genre tag for some strange reason. Brits especially. Personally I reserve Punk as a label for much more aggressive stuff than The Ramones, Buzzcocks, Clash, Green Day, Sex Pistols, etc etc. I'll give it to Wire, Velvet Underground, Richard Hell, Sid Vicious (solo), Cramps, DNA, Contortions... This could be it's own thread. Sorry Neil D. The Ramones may have been guided by pop, but in no way are they a pop band. No credible source categorizes them as a pop band. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard anyone call them a "pop band". Now you may label more aggressive bands as "punk", but that's your definition alone, and it flies in the face of reality. |
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Apr 28 2008, 01:02 PM
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They have a poppy side. "I Want You Around," say.
But these distinctions are trivial anyway. |
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Apr 28 2008, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE(smcd @ Apr 28 2008, 12:51 PM) I don't think I've ever heard anyone call them a "pop band". You never listen to me. I categorize 'em as pop as readily as I categorize 'em as punk, with no resulting cognitive dissonance. |
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Apr 28 2008, 01:07 PM
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I grew up strongly disliking Neil Diamond, in large part because my mother played his records a lot at home.
In the past decade or so, however, I've found myself becoming much more appreciative of his songwriting and (to a lesser extent) his performing. I still probably wouldn't go see him, though, unless it were free. |
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Apr 28 2008, 01:12 PM
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He's got that peculiar and irritating rasp to his voice which seems to invest his songs with more significance than they are actually capable of carrying. Unlike a hooting chimp declaiming Aeschylus, he ponderously ascribes meaty significance to mere bagatelle.
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Apr 28 2008, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE(JodyThePig @ Apr 28 2008, 01:04 PM) You never listen to me. I categorize 'em as pop as readily as I categorize 'em as punk, with no resulting cognitive dissonance. I categorize whales and porpoises as fish, with no resulting cognitive dissonance (whatever that means). |
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Apr 28 2008, 01:16 PM
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QUOTE(dimenno @ Apr 28 2008, 01:12 PM) He's got that peculiar and irritating rasp to his voice which seems to invest his songs with more significance than they are actually capable of carrying. Unlike a hooting chimp declaiming Aeschylus, he ponderously ascribes meaty significance to mere bagatelle. What the .... I got your Achooselyss. Right here! |
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Apr 28 2008, 01:18 PM
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I believe I don't know what cognitive dissonance means, even though I have a nagging feeling that actually, I do know.
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Apr 28 2008, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(smcd @ Apr 28 2008, 01:16 PM) What the .... I got your Achooselyss. Right here! Compare: I am...I said...--Neil Diamond A prosperous fool is a grievous burden.--Aeschylus http://www.bartleby.com/100/694.html |
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Apr 28 2008, 03:32 PM
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I like to think of him as the poor man's Leonard Cohen.
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