Just figured I would give the 9/11 Conspiracy nutters, A helping hand .. Options

[MARSMAN]

Heres a very good website with some 9/11 truths ..check it

[Mike Qube]

thats site is bullsit because it is on the internets. as we all know the internets was invented by al gore, al gore was the vice president. it should come as no surprise that the current vice president is dick cheney and we all know who dick cheney works for, thats right, halibuton! that maens that halibutron ownz the internets so anythign you reads on the interernets is bullshit unless it be on 911thruth.com or rawstory.com or alex jones. alex have special powers to override haliburton controls.

[ƒ(x)]

I watched part of the 9/11 conspiracy thing (history or discovery channel, I forget). It was embarrasing watching the conspiracy dudes compared to the popular mechanics dudes. I got the retard tingles a few times and I only watched about 20 minutes of it.

[MARSMAN]

I watched part of the 9/11 conspiracy thing (history or discovery channel, I forget). It was embarrasing watching the conspiracy dudes compared to the popular mechanics dudes. I got the retard tingles a few times and I only watched about 20 minutes of it.

Are you trying to say logic ruled ..?

How DARE you !

[mach313]

If you truly believe 12 guys with boxcutters,directed by
another guy in a cave planned and executed 9-11,you far more naive than i.
good luck!

[MARSMAN]

If you truly believe 12 guys with boxcutters,directed by
another guy in a cave planned and executed 9-11,you far more naive than i.
good luck!

Why is that so hard to believe ..? Do you think all of Al-Queda works in a cave with no money no power no anything ..?

[Dave K.]

Why is that so hard to believe ..? Do you think all of Al-Queda works in a cave with no money no power no anything ..?

Yeah, he says that over and over.

The fact is, we know that Al Qaeda has never had any problem
with funding.

[MARSMAN]

Yeah, he says that over and over.

The fact is, we know that Al Qaeda has never had any problem
with funding.

Yeah I know ..he is not alone it seems the conspiracy kooks are all trying to belittle Osama and their powers while ignoring the attack on the Cole or the embassy bombings in Africa..I mean how could people living ina cave do THAT??

[coughlin]

how did the person who took the pic on the front page not get killed?
sheezis!

[Danny Vermin]

the guy in the cave is a billionaire son of an Oil Baron family.

[MARSMAN]

the guy in the cave is a billionaire son of an Oil Baron family.

Fuck you ..the dude lives in a cave and all he could afford to arm his men with are box cutters !!

[Zack Away]

people who believe the co-incidence theory are fruitcakes of the highest order.

[drumdad]

If you truly believe 12 guys with boxcutters,directed by
another guy in a cave planned and executed 9-11,you far more naive than i.
good luck!

If you truly believe George W. Bush and his band of idiots, directed by another guy in a cave, planned and executed 9-11, you are far more of a fucking moron than i.

good luck!

[MARSMAN]

people who believe the co-incidence theory are fruitcakes of the highest order.

Did you look at the website I posted or is that a "government front" ..?

[MARSMAN]

people who believe the co-incidence theory are fruitcakes of the highest order.

All the people who would have to be involved in order to pull this massive conspiracy off...

-The Bush Administration, who failed at everything they ever did. Yet all of them and the people below are helping him cover up the largest mass murder in US history... Some of them like Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neil have come out for less.

-The NYC Fire fighters who know more about building collapses than most, if not all, of them. It's their LIFE to know. Literally! Yet they don't call for an investigation into the MASS MURDER of over 300 of their brothers... Why? (The twisting of these peoples’ statements for donations and DVD sales sickens me.) We have uncovered the myth about a gag order imposed on all fire fighters. Only 9/11 conspiracy sites say this. ONE person who sued Bush for not taking action before the event is ordered by the court not to speak to the media about the case. This is not imposing a gag order on the whole fire department as some of these sites claim. They are lying to cover up this mass murder by the government or the building owner. Why? They don't even know...

Conspiracy theorists bring up an article in Fire House magazine which says the fire department wanted to stop the steel from being sold in order to test the fire proofing and other non-bomb/controlled demolition related investigations. They twist the article’s context to make it seem like the firefighters questioned the idea that fire brought down the towers.

http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=
OnlineArticles&SubSe%20ction=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=
25&ARTICLE_ID=131225

http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Dis...neArticles&
SubSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=130026

Many of these men and women come from the military, yet we are to believe they are so afraid they rather die in the government’s next mass murder than come out and expose this.

-The courts for imposing a gag order [SEE above]

-The NYC Police department who lost over 20 lives. They didn't ask for an investigation. Motive? None...

-The NYC port Authority who lost personnel. Motive?

-All the people in the Pentagon who have not called for an investigation. Many who are liberal and centrist. They did or said nothing while people supposedly trucked in airplane parts to cover the crime. Why? Again, no answer...

-The more than 1,600 widows and widowers of 9/11 who would rather have investigations of the decisions which led to the terrorist getting away with this. They don't want to waste time investigating the mass murder of their loved ones. Even the Jersey Girls. Why? They say it's the money... [note: Whenever killing someone, pay off the relative. They won’t say anything.]

-The media (This one I almost believe) who doesn't follow up on the biggest mass murder and conspiracy in American history. It seems no one wants a Nobel prize for journalism. Not only the American media but foreign press like the BBC and Al Jazeera. Why? No answer here either...

-The photographers from around the world who took pictures of the towers which clearly show bowing of the perimeter columns. These photos support the NIST hypothesis that the sagging trusses lead to the collapse. Some photos also show the core intact shortly after collapse which also not only support the NIST hypothesis but discredits the "Controlled demolition" account.

-Popular Mechanics who debunked these sites are also helping Bush commit the biggest mass murder in history.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

-PBS Nova since they created a documentary explaining in detail how and why the buildings fell. None of it said bomb.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

-Everyone in the NIST who covers up the largest mass murder in US history. This independent organization doesn't have a moral person in hundreds of employees because not one has come out exposing this so called "Conspiracy". In fact, the hundreds of scientist who signed onto the report are willing to not only lie for Bush but cover up the largest mass murder in American history. Some suggest only a handful can do the job but that's simply impossible. The team in charge of the computer modeling has to be in sync with the team of structural engineers and so on. There are hundreds involved in this investigation and every team has to work with other teams using the same evidence and specifications.

-NY Governor Pataki because he sold steel from the WTC for the construction of the USS New York. If the argument is the government sold the steel in order to cover up the crime then Pataki is one of the criminals.

-The NY city scrap yards because they also sold steel to China before all of it was tested. Bush would have needed to call them up and tell them to sell it before they could have investigated every beam. A task which would have taken years and years not to mention millions more. Ironically the republican Mayor Bloomberg could not be involved since he asked the scrap yards not to sell the steel on behalf of the firefighters.

-EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD who doesn't write a paper for a mainstream peer reviewed journal saying the towers were brought down and could not have fallen due to fire. If laymen can prove things just by looking at videos and reading interviews out of context, then all those structural engineers MUST be working for Bush right? Even the ones in other countries. Why? The answer they give is that the engineers don't know about Jones’ work. So in all this time no one has e-mailed Jones' work to any structural engineer?

-The liberals who don't believe the towers were brought down. (Like me) They're helping a neo-con cover-up the largest mass murder in this nation’s history. Why? No clue...

-The CIA

-The FBI

-FEMA

-The American Society of Civil Engineers who have produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy Theorists say is impossible is possible.

-NORAD

-The FAA who saw planes which conspiracy theorists say never existed.

-The Silverstein Group who they say got together with Bush to blow up the building for insurance money.

-Silverstein's Insurance Company who didn't question the collapse and paid out over 2 billion to Silverstein. Why? Conspiracy Theorists say the insurance company just wants to pass on the bill to the public but they already fought Silverstein in a number of law suits concerning the amount.

-American Airlines (Pentagon)

-United Airlines (Pentagon)

-Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport for losing the planes

-Scientists and engineers who developed the remote control plane technology

-Installers of the remote control devices in the planes (Pentagon)

-Remote controllers of the planes (Pentagon)

-Scientists and engineers who developed the new demolition technology and carried out practical tests and computer models to make sure it would work.

-Installers of the demolitions devices in the three buildings

-People who worked at the company(s) the installers used as cover

-Airphone etc employees who said they got calls from passengers (Pentagon)

-Faux friends and relatives of the faux passengers or just the faux relatives who claim to have been called by their loved ones or just the psyops who fooled relatives into thinking they really were their loved ones. (Pentagon)

-People who detonated the buildings"

-anyone who thinks the conspiracy is a diversion to take liberal activist focus off of real crimes.

Even conspiracies with a few people are doomed. Look at Enron and Watergate. The more people you involve, the more likely the conspiracy will fall apart. The amount of people needed for this conspiracy could fill one of the towers. It's absurd to think this many people could keep a mass murder for Bush secret for this long. Absurd...


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[MARSMAN]

people who believe the co-incidence theory are fruitcakes of the highest order.

All the people who would have to be involved in order to pull this massive conspiracy off...

-The Bush Administration, who failed at everything they ever did. Yet all of them and the people below are helping him cover up the largest mass murder in US history... Some of them like Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neil have come out for less.

-The NYC Fire fighters who know more about building collapses than most, if not all, of them. It's their LIFE to know. Literally! Yet they don't call for an investigation into the MASS MURDER of over 300 of their brothers... Why? (The twisting of these peoples’ statements for donations and DVD sales sickens me.) We have uncovered the myth about a gag order imposed on all fire fighters. Only 9/11 conspiracy sites say this. ONE person who sued Bush for not taking action before the event is ordered by the court not to speak to the media about the case. This is not imposing a gag order on the whole fire department as some of these sites claim. They are lying to cover up this mass murder by the government or the building owner. Why? They don't even know...

Conspiracy theorists bring up an article in Fire House magazine which says the fire department wanted to stop the steel from being sold in order to test the fire proofing and other non-bomb/controlled demolition related investigations. They twist the article’s context to make it seem like the firefighters questioned the idea that fire brought down the towers.

http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=
OnlineArticles&SubSe%20ction=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=
25&ARTICLE_ID=131225

http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Dis...neArticles&
SubSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=130026

Many of these men and women come from the military, yet we are to believe they are so afraid they rather die in the government’s next mass murder than come out and expose this.

-The courts for imposing a gag order [SEE above]

-The NYC Police department who lost over 20 lives. They didn't ask for an investigation. Motive? None...

-The NYC port Authority who lost personnel. Motive?

-All the people in the Pentagon who have not called for an investigation. Many who are liberal and centrist. They did or said nothing while people supposedly trucked in airplane parts to cover the crime. Why? Again, no answer...

-The more than 1,600 widows and widowers of 9/11 who would rather have investigations of the decisions which led to the terrorist getting away with this. They don't want to waste time investigating the mass murder of their loved ones. Even the Jersey Girls. Why? They say it's the money... [note: Whenever killing someone, pay off the relative. They won’t say anything.]

-The media (This one I almost believe) who doesn't follow up on the biggest mass murder and conspiracy in American history. It seems no one wants a Nobel prize for journalism. Not only the American media but foreign press like the BBC and Al Jazeera. Why? No answer here either...

-The photographers from around the world who took pictures of the towers which clearly show bowing of the perimeter columns. These photos support the NIST hypothesis that the sagging trusses lead to the collapse. Some photos also show the core intact shortly after collapse which also not only support the NIST hypothesis but discredits the "Controlled demolition" account.

-Popular Mechanics who debunked these sites are also helping Bush commit the biggest mass murder in history.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

-PBS Nova since they created a documentary explaining in detail how and why the buildings fell. None of it said bomb.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

-Everyone in the NIST who covers up the largest mass murder in US history. This independent organization doesn't have a moral person in hundreds of employees because not one has come out exposing this so called "Conspiracy". In fact, the hundreds of scientist who signed onto the report are willing to not only lie for Bush but cover up the largest mass murder in American history. Some suggest only a handful can do the job but that's simply impossible. The team in charge of the computer modeling has to be in sync with the team of structural engineers and so on. There are hundreds involved in this investigation and every team has to work with other teams using the same evidence and specifications.

-NY Governor Pataki because he sold steel from the WTC for the construction of the USS New York. If the argument is the government sold the steel in order to cover up the crime then Pataki is one of the criminals.

-The NY city scrap yards because they also sold steel to China before all of it was tested. Bush would have needed to call them up and tell them to sell it before they could have investigated every beam. A task which would have taken years and years not to mention millions more. Ironically the republican Mayor Bloomberg could not be involved since he asked the scrap yards not to sell the steel on behalf of the firefighters.

-EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD who doesn't write a paper for a mainstream peer reviewed journal saying the towers were brought down and could not have fallen due to fire. If laymen can prove things just by looking at videos and reading interviews out of context, then all those structural engineers MUST be working for Bush right? Even the ones in other countries. Why? The answer they give is that the engineers don't know about Jones’ work. So in all this time no one has e-mailed Jones' work to any structural engineer?

-The liberals who don't believe the towers were brought down. (Like me) They're helping a neo-con cover-up the largest mass murder in this nation’s history. Why? No clue...

-The CIA

-The FBI

-FEMA

-The American Society of Civil Engineers who have produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy Theorists say is impossible is possible.

-NORAD

-The FAA who saw planes which conspiracy theorists say never existed.

-The Silverstein Group who they say got together with Bush to blow up the building for insurance money.

-Silverstein's Insurance Company who didn't question the collapse and paid out over 2 billion to Silverstein. Why? Conspiracy Theorists say the insurance company just wants to pass on the bill to the public but they already fought Silverstein in a number of law suits concerning the amount.

-American Airlines (Pentagon)

-United Airlines (Pentagon)

-Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport for losing the planes

-Scientists and engineers who developed the remote control plane technology

-Installers of the remote control devices in the planes (Pentagon)

-Remote controllers of the planes (Pentagon)

-Scientists and engineers who developed the new demolition technology and carried out practical tests and computer models to make sure it would work.

-Installers of the demolitions devices in the three buildings

-People who worked at the company(s) the installers used as cover

-Airphone etc employees who said they got calls from passengers (Pentagon)

-Faux friends and relatives of the faux passengers or just the faux relatives who claim to have been called by their loved ones or just the psyops who fooled relatives into thinking they really were their loved ones. (Pentagon)

-People who detonated the buildings"

-anyone who thinks the conspiracy is a diversion to take liberal activist focus off of real crimes.

Even conspiracies with a few people are doomed. Look at Enron and Watergate. The more people you involve, the more likely the conspiracy will fall apart. The amount of people needed for this conspiracy could fill one of the towers. It's absurd to think this many people could keep a mass murder for Bush secret for this long. Absurd...


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[woof.]

Q: Why do you hide your identity?
A: It should be none of anyone's business who I am. If I'm right, the evidence will back me up. If I'm wrong the evidence will expose it the same as if you knew who I was.

he doesn't have the sack to put his name on his work.

seriously, before you proffer up this site as the last word, do your homework. There's way more than what this guy covers...

[MARSMAN]

he doesn't have the sack to put his name on his work.

seriously, before you proffer up this site as the last word, do your homework. There's way more than what this guy covers...

I never said it was the last word ..

Why not address the points made and not the fact of who put the site together ..? Unless you think that little bit discredits ALL of the quotes and people mentioned ..?

Do you ?

[MARSMAN]

he doesn't have the sack to put his name on his work.

seriously, before you proffer up this site as the last word, do your homework. There's way more than what this guy covers...

"Apparently this is evidence to conspiracy theorists that I'm a "government shill". I guess a massive conspiracy to murder 3000 people is easier to carry out than it would be for the government to create a fake id on a web site. (Incredible...)"

[Zack Away]

Did you look at the website I posted or is that a "government front" ..?

I did and I read what you posted as well. very nice as far as an emotional response to a series of technical questions.

however I stand by my statement: if you are a person who accepts the astounding series of "co-incidences" that occurred that day then I'm afraid you are deluded or operating with diminished capacity.

[MARSMAN]

I did and I read what you posted as well. very nice as far as an emotional response to a series of technical questions.

however I stand by my statement: if you are a person who accepts the astounding series of "co-incidences" that occurred that day then I'm afraid you are deluded or operating with diminished capacity.

Please tell me what you think was the real deal that day ..

[Maximum Tor]

Please tell me what you think was the real deal that day ..

9/11 was a special event in the history of the universe as things such as facts and logic no longer applied and speculation and paranoia because principle forces.

[Maximum Tor]

9/11 was a special event in the history of the universe as things such as facts and logic no longer applied and speculation and paranoia became principle forces.

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[elk]

I did and I read what you posted as well. very nice as far as an emotional response to a series of technical questions.

however I stand by my statement: if you are a person who accepts the astounding series of "co-incidences" that occurred that day then I'm afraid you are deluded or operating with diminished capacity.

Seriously, dude. Give it up. Accept that bad and random things can and do happen on the same day. Accept that just because you don't like the explanation of why something happened, it doesn't mean that the explanation is wrong. I get it. You feel powerless and need to, in your mind, concoct a needlessly complicated conspiracy theory to give yourself the feeling of being "in the loop," or "smarter than the others," but really you're just deluding yourself and avoiding the real issues. I would strongly suggest that you seek counseling to help you get over the obviously intense emotional trauma you suffered as a result of the 9/11 attacks. You need help.

[Zack Away]

Seriously, dude. Give it up. Accept that bad and random things can and do happen on the same day. Accept that just because you don't like the explanation of why something happened, it doesn't mean that the explanation is wrong. I get it. You feel powerless and need to, in your mind, concoct a needlessly complicated conspiracy theory to give yourself the feeling of being "in the loop," or "smarter than the others," but really you're just deluding yourself and avoiding the real issues. I would strongly suggest that you seek counseling to help you get over the obviously intense emotional trauma you suffered as a result of the 9/11 attacks. You need help.

I suffer far more to note that my fellow citizens are so terrified they crawl into the first dark space they can find and hide.

I personally would love to 'give it up' however the questions I have (and not answers mind you) will not allow me in good conscious to do so.